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president. and i think the people need to rise up. the spokesman can only reflect from behind the lectern. i think that some of us will have to get behind the barricades. whoever the spokesman is in the white house and in our houses we're not going to tolerate a backward forum in this country. >> reverend, great to have you here tonight. thanks so much. >> great to see you. tonight in our text survey i asked do you think that john boehner has any idea how to create jobs? 75% of you said yes. 25% said yes. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. we'll see you tomorrow night. sworn in, let's play "hardball." >> good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, the republicans take control.
the house changed guard today, an emotional john boehner took the gavel as its 53rd speaker of the house. his first order of business, repealing health care reform. well, the big question is just how republicans will choose to govern. will they act as if they have a broad mandate from a lot of americans? will the faultlines grow between the establishment republicans and the tea party crowd that helped them win back control of congress? big question. plus, the biggest freshman class since 1992 was sworn in today and many of them are fire-brand, spoiling for a fight. tonight, we'll talk to two one is a darling of the tea partiers, the other, he is just one of the nine democratic newcomers to win election. and just how will this freshman class make it work? how will they make their mark? two house members from either side of the aisle will size up the brewing battles that lie ahead. also, gearing up for 2012 already white house press secretary robert gibbs is leaving the west wing to work on the president's re-election campaign. on the republicans' side, mike huckabee and mitt romney are
polling well in those swing states and palin, the former governor of alaska is still the wildcard. but could jeb bush be prodded to throw his hat in the ring? those are the hot questions. and michele bachmann failed to get a leadership post in the new congress but she may have her eyes fixed on a bigger prize? we'll have it for you in the "sideshow." let's start with the opening bid, 112th congress, big excitement at capitol hill today. pat buchanan is an msnbc analyst and joan walsh is with salon.com. joan, i'm looking at the house today, boehner, as always, a very human guy, whatever you think of his politics, very emotional. i was taken by that. i thought pelosi gave a nice speech welcoming him, he got a gigantic gavel. took a shot at him for wanting such a big with baby, he got this gigantic gavel. >> i have no comment on the size of his gavel. >> i have no idea whether size matters. here is speaker boehner talking today about humility and with humility this there it is, look at the size of that thing. let's listen. >> the american people have humbled us.
they have refreshed our memories to just how temporary the privilege of serving is. they remind us that everything here is on loan from them. that includes this gavel, which i accept cheerfully and gratefully, knowing that i am but its caretaker. after all, this is the people's house. >> here is nancy pelosi, the outgoing speaker handing over that gigantic gavel. let's listen. >> i now pass this gavel, which is larger than most gavels here, but the gavel of choice of mr. speaker boehner. i now pass this -- [ laughter ] i now pass this gavel and the sacred trust that goes with it to the new speaker. god bless you, speaker boehner. [ cheers ]
>> she gave him a nice hug and she did say god bless, but what was that little shout out about size market in the gigantic she gave him, didn't just give him the gavel. it was the gavel of choice and then giggled like mad about t. >> you know if this is symbolic or what. >> we are going to stay away from that. >> we didn't stay away from it, did we? let's talk about something that is important, coming up, next wednesday, vote repeal health care. >> right. >> now the speaker gave a nice speech today a couple of points that i think that we all agree on, on humility. here he is talking about humility and the role he will give to the democratic side, deference to the minority, let's listen to that because it ghettos heart of how they will hand this will health care fight next wednesday. let's listen. >> to my friends in the minority, i offer a commitment, openness. once a tradition of this institution but increasingly scarce in recent decades, will be the new standard. there are no open rules in the house in the last congress. in this one, there will be many. and with restored openness,
however, come a restored responsibility. >> now, joan, here's the question they have a bill on the floor coming up next week, january 12th to repeal health care outright. the word from the hill is no amendments' in order. and my problem with that is that the republicans promised during their campaign and they talk about the people's will, they are going to repeal and replace. they were going to include two features of the replacement bill. one was going to be no -- going to be allowed to have a pre-existing conditions and be covered and, two, no limits on lifetime payments. now, why don't they let those two amendments at least be in order, just being particular here, they are not gonna do it? they are going to offer a simple repeal measure, no amendments in order, no chance for democrats to get involved, even with regard to their own proposal, not let them offer them. >> no, they're demagoguing here. this is, i think, the last day
you will hear about nice conversation, nice relationships with democrats. the very first, big symbolic thing that they are going to do, as you know, chris is going to shut had the democrats out and say vote this up or down. they think that is politically very wise, they think it's going to have a big political, symbolic impact, it is the way they want to start and good luck to them. >> i'm not wishing them good luck. why are you going to wish them good luck? >> i wish them good luck because -- >> closed rule? a week after he promises an open debate and a robust debate and opportunities for the minority to offer amendments. >> right it's hypocrisy. >> he says, no amendments, no debates, up or down. we're killing health care, this is fun time. >> good luck convince the american people you are changing wait we do business. that's all they mean and also good luke -- >> let me go to bat path here, why can he give a speech about open rules and opportunities to participate in debate on the very issue that he is going to make a big deal about next wednesday, no amendments? >> if you heard him, he said there will be many open rules. >> when? she well, look, this is something that he promised that he'd do. they'll get it done. it'll go to the senate, it's not going to be passed and i think that that's perfectly
legitimate, chris. >> but they promised in the campaign that they would issue -- they would amend, they would replace something else that has a protection against pre-existing conditions being denied and they're not doing it. >> if the senate passes the repeal and obama signs it, he will go for pre-existing conditions. look, i disagree with you profoundly. i disagree profoundly. it is in his interest to get along in a lot of ways, work with obama the way he did at the end of the year, obama's interest, he recognizes the party of pelosi and reid are out of touch with mainstream america and boehner and mcconnell are closer. i think both political parties have an interest in working together, at least through this first year, chris, and i think they are going to get. >> you talk about -- there was a lot of references, joan, today, the people, the republican party having, won a significant election last november, now have the mandate from the people on high and they keep saying the people want this the people want to get rid of health care. well, the polling is not that simple on that and what the people want according to this
new poll by "60 minutes" and "vanity fair," the new poll that just came out said what the people want is to raise taxes on the rich. here it is. 61% say the first step they want to reduce the deficit is to go after the rich with their taxes. the second is to go after defense spending. the republicans aren't going to do either one of those things. joan first. >> that is when they stopped listening to the people, chris, when it comes to raising taxes. and you know, parts of the health care reform wildly popular so trying to repeal it as a piece is kind of ridiculous and at a time -- you know, we are going to sit here and -- for the next -- for the next year at least, probably for two years, and watch them try to throw the country in reverse. they are going to try to repeal health care reform, it won't go anywhere. it's symbolic. it's political. >> why try to do it? >> they think it is a winning with issue, i think they are wrong, they think it is they are going to go for it for financial reform and liberate the banks to do to us with what they did to nus 2007 in 2008. again they're in reverse. going to -- darrell issa is going to investigate the hell
out of the white house, we are going to talk about a.c.o.r.n. which doesn't exist anymore and the new black panther party. it's crazy. >> give it a rest, joan. >> give what a rest, pat? >> it is opening day and you are screaming on opening day. >> because they are making promises opening day. >> i am not making this up, honey. >> but look, take a look -- >> honey? >> came out. >> look at the republican or the bush tax bill it is now the obama tax bill it got through the congress of the united states. they went along with that. >> that was unfortunate. >> look we don't go by polls. >> what do you think of this new poll that says that people would rather have the rich -- >> i don't give a hoot what the -- >> you don't give a hoot what the people say? >> no i care what your principles are and what your beliefs are. and ran on. >> that sounds like edmund burke, opposite of what your crowd was saying out there tonight. they want to be a transparent deliver of the people's opinion to the law. >> we have the taxes because, thank goodness, we have barack obama, who went along with that tax cut. >> okay, let's talk about pelosi. give you a fair shot here at pelosi here. >> right. >> here she is speaking -- i do
think there is a question about whether pelosi is in touchith w even her own party's position and political situation. i think she wants to be speaker again, i think she's sticking around for two years or four years hopes, like winston churchill and others, she can come back. sam raburn did it twice. joe morton did it. let's see if she can do it. i think that is her view. here is speaker pelosi, former speaker pelosi arriving at the capitol today. listen how she describes her tenure even as it was elapsing. let's listen. >> i am still speaker of the house, but -- for a few -- a short period of time. what we're saying as we go forward, we extend, extend a hand, a willing hand to friendship. >> well, she was quite a target in the last election. i would say up there with to old days of ted kennedy, old days of bella apzug, a figure used as a punching bag across the country, it was not done for stupid reasons, people think there is a
win in that. what is the attack on pelosi about it at this point? >> she is a quintessential san francisco liberal democrat whose party, in that form, was repudiated by the american people. what is the matter with your party, chris? i mean -- >> it is doing very well in san francisco, doing well on the two coasts. >> california, doing great. >> can i ask you a question? what is wrong with her in state us where would think they don't even know who she is, they seem to know who she is? >> everybody knows who she is now and she is a representative of a party that's been repudiated. look, i don't have anything against her, think she is a tremendously successful speaker in terms of what she had done, her and steny hoyer and clyburn and van hollen, you got all four -- >> you think too far left? >> no i think you need a new ball club, you just got beat, put somebody else out on the field. it is the blue dog caucus that got decimated in november. >> decimated because they were associated with nancy pelosi. >> no, that's -- i don't think that's it. >> blue dogs if they lose because they were voting for
speaker pelosi? >> speaker pelosi and plenty of them -- you know what didn't vote with speaker pelosi, plenty of them didn't vote on the stimulus them didn't vote the right way on health care reform they went their own way, they were allowed by speaker pelosi is to go their own way. she was fairly generous on that one. she could afford to be and they still lost. tell me why that happened. >> it smart politics, for joan who does come from san francisco. >> thank you. >> i love it out there. it's a great city to live there. i think in many ways, it is like living in your honor, it session siting, especially downtown, but -- i really mean that joan, here is my question, tough, shrewd political assessment. is it right for the democratic party to have nancy pelosi persist in trying to win backed speakership the next couple of cycles? is it smart for the leadership of the party to have her there, running for speaker again, next time and the time after in order to get it back, be triumphant again? is it smart? >> you know a lot is going to happen in two years and be that
she is smart. maybe she runs on the record gotten an amazing number, 400-something bills through the house that never got a vote in the senate. she did the work. she did what barack obama asked her to do. she was phenomenally successful. and her majority -- she lost her majority. i don't know, chris, i don't see anybody else. heath schuller seems a joke to me, i'm sorry. what votes did he marshal? it may be that somebody else emerges. >> what about steny? is it steny's turn? >> i don't think it is steny's turn, frankly. >> will it ever be? >> barack obama, by the way he behaved, look at the end of the year, what he said was, look, pelosi, reid, you are not negotiating with republicans. you are going to go off the cliff, i want to get something done, give them those taxes, one, two, three, let's do it. >> patrick, he is at 50% and rising and still got a 10% unemployment rate this guy gets it to 8, he is going to be 60%. never seen a guy get 50% of the country when he has an unemployment number like this something going on out there, more strength than a lot of people imagine. thank you, joan walsh, standing
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welcome book to "hardball." yesterday former florida governor jeb bush says he ruled out running for president this time it around in 2012, but never say never, he says in 2016. could jeb be the republicans answer to barack obama this time, end up running for or look back to the familiar faces of romney, huckabee and palin what does it look like? joining us is national journalist is beth ryan hardt. formerly of the "miami herald" and new york magazine's john high land. ladies and gentlemen, you are from there tell me this is jeb really out? >> i think he is. he is not just sitting around twiddling his thumbs. >> why is he running op ed piece for "wall street journal?" get his face in this thing if he doesn't want in?
>> he's a public policy person and cares deeply about education reform. he cares a lot about hispanic outreach. >> so this isn't a tease? >> i don't think so. >> john? >> i think he wants to. he is also a smart politician. i think he wants to be president and he see it is he has got to choose between 2012 and 2016, especially with the president, president obama with his prospect of his -- >> some other republican this time, he is not going to get it in 2016? >> unless that republican loses to obama for re-election, obama wins in 2012 and open field in 2016. >> obama is gone, it is over forever for him. >> the other way. >> you don't get to pick your year, you get pick your goal? >> i think there is this game that people play every four year, not running until 2012, hasn't ruled out 2016 or 2020. >> is there a bush sequence, you have to wait eight years? george w. waited eight years and won. >> i think the bush name has been rehabilitated some extent, that was jeb's biggest liability but now you have
democrats passing the bush era tax cuts. >> the smartest of the bushes? >> i think jeb is smart guy. >> the smartest of the bush? >> i think the smartest in american politics. i know you think this, not necessarily wrong, that if the field is muddy and some of these governors who are plausible alternatives to the populace in the party like palin and huckabee if those governors don't get a bunch of people in the republican party begging bush to get in. >> he is betting obama to win. >> that's what i'm saying. >> talk about huckabee, a slow burner washington. he doesn't play well in this town, every time you poll him, every time he goes to iowa, he wins. he won the -- he won the -- what do you call that -- >> caucus. >> the caucus, for the test -- what do you call the thing before that -- >> the straw poll. >> he wins, he wins, boring to people in washington because he is rural, because he doesn't sell inside the big cities, he seems to sell out in the country. >> i don't think he is boring at all. >> you like him? >> i think's charismatic speaker and i have enjoyed hearing him talk before, especially compared to some of the other in the
field. >> you have broad tastes, don't you? i'm just kidding. you think he can win with the nomination? >> i don't know if he can win the nop nomination, i think that he's an interesting candidate. >> i think there's a question about whether he can raise enough money to compete at the national level and also a question about him, whether he wants to leave behind the money he is currently making right now. >> a pro, you got write this book again what is going on, all talking in town here about are we going to repeal health care, do the debt ceiling, all that government stuff, out in the hinterlands it seems to me they are decide building to run or not. >> yeah. >> is his decision based on whether he has the quarter billion dollars in coin it takes to compete with romney? >> i think that the money -- >> is that it? >> the money issue is going to be a big issue for huckabee. ize say, whether he wants to give up the biggest piece of change he has made in his life she is in living a very comfortable life as a cable talk show host. >> can he get back to that if he loses? >> he will give up a lot of current income stream in order to raise a bunch of money that is not going to be that easy for him to do necessarily. >> what about the cop killer he let go? >> some problems for him there things will get tested for him.
>> a little willey horton problem? >> a lot of republicans who agree with that. >> do you agree with that? will thab used against him by a tough-minded law and order republican? i can see newt nailing him with it. >> absolutely. you can look at each of the candidate, each have their own fatal flaw. >> rick santorum, a guy i have always watched politically, i think he's a hell of a speaker. knocked off by bob kasich last time, interviewed rick santorum and took shot at potential primary candidates including sarah palin. here's what he said, "let's put it this way, i'm not waiting for her to decide whether i'm running for president. she certainly has been a net plus to republican efforts, was a huge factor in the last election to me, mostly to the good. maybe not all to the good. but 90%'s pretty good, the question whether palin is qualified, santorum said what does it mean to be qualified to be president? she was born in the country and she's the right age. those are the qualifications. excuse me, that's a shot. >> do you who gave that answer before?
that was bill clinton's answer about barack obama in 2008. >> that is a shot. isn't that a shot? >> sure, that is a shot. >> she is legal, in other words. >> you know that it hurts sarah palin to have rick santorum who most people don't even know who he is. >> is that what's going on? she is the top dog and they have to go after her? >> i don't think she is necessarily top dog. >> who is? >> i think she rises -- >> she is? okay. so careful. what are you, david broader? i'm not keeping score here, you can be wrong once in a while. it's okay to be wrong. is the top candidate right now? >> i think romney s. >> you say romney? best bet? >> today, yeah, but i -- >> if you were betting in ireland where they take the bets, they have a sports book there. >> if today, he's front runner and real shaky front runner. >> because he is not a good politician? >> hes that health care problem with the massachusetts health care plan and that looks like as much as iraq was a problem for hillary clinton in the democratic primary in 2008. it is the same kind of problem for romney there are a lot of republicans who want to run against health care and obama
and romneycare was obamacare. >> he doesn't seem to have it, what i watched all my life that thing in politics that makes a person interesting, intriguing, you want to hear their next word what they are up to you care about them, fascinating, obvious an attractive man, a good success record, a good family, i like him when i meet him. i don't feel that curiosity about him that i do about great politicians. your thoughts. >> me in my broad tastes, i think that he's actually a very interesting guy. >> what are you curious about him? what would you like to know what he doesn't want to know? >> i think he is attractive now. >> what about mitt romney, what do you find interesting about him? >> his background. >> he's a businessman. >> olympics, governor, he has done a loft things in his life. >> makes him interesting? huh? okay. >> he's more of a known commodity that actually helps him to some extent. some of the stuff he had to go through in 2008, not go up through again, put the mormon question to rest to some extent. >> in our world? in our world in the united states baptist part of the
country it's still an issue. >> i agree. >> i don't think that that's been put to rest. >> i saw howard dean today, that was one of the things that he mentioned about mitt romney's liabilities. especially in the south he hears a lot of prejudice against romney. >> the tricky part about it, they don't think it is prejudice they can think they are right in opposing a mormon president. they have a very particular point of view, i don't share, most americans don't. this particular geographic religious problem he has, evangelicals they can don't think he should be president. >> i don't think that's insurmountable though, i think the health care problem may be insurmountable if the climate continues to be that that the raison d'etre on the issue. >> he's mormon, not have to reintroduce himself as a mormon, he gave a speech on the matter, he will not have to reintroduce himself as a mormon to the country. explain the role to his political life, not have to go back and do that again, whether he can overcome.
whether something that he could overcome. >> the republican party, the party that you and i grew up with more of a suburban big city party, the way it was years ago, today it is increasingly a rural party of the south and i just think that might be a problem. i don't know, i wish him well on that front i think we should have religious tolerance in this country. thank you, beth reinhard, waiting to get your insight on you why think mitt romney is fascinating. thank you, john heilemann. up next -- just kidding. sort of. michele bachmann this is somebody who is truly fascinating. i have always wondered is she under hypnosis? i look at her, look at the eyes, i can't tell what's driving her. it isn't logic. it is something else. anyway, she is talking about running for president. why not? why not? she is in the race for president maybe. let's check out the sideshow where she normally shows up on this had show, in the side show you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. [ mike ] my name is mike and i quit smoking.
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welcome back to "hardball." time for the "sideshow." i love this one. first up, tea for 12, having failed to fight her way into the house leadership and amid rumors she might run for the u.s. senate. there is a new job prospect flat toing in michele bachmann's world, president of the united states. that's right, a source close to the minnesota republican tells abc news that bachmann will head to iowa this month to talk to supporters and get advice on a presidential bid. bachmann's chief of staff told abc, "nothing is off the table." well, that's for sure, in her case. next up, candidate baldwin? nbc's "30 rock" star alec baldwin sounds more serious than ever about running for office some day. in an interview with cnn airing tonight, he said it is something he is very, very interested in. let's listen. >> i do believe that people want to believe that someone who deeply cares about the middle class for whatever reason
whatever your heritage and your background and so forth works like to seek public office. we have had men who are, regardless of their background, we have had men, i don't want to say this in an anti-elitist way, but we have had men who were ivy league, you know, groomed running this country since 1988. we've had, you know, 22 years of yale and harvard. >> well, that's interesting, but for the record, alec baldwin did graduate from nyu, one of the country's top schools. by the way, it is easier to be interested in running for office than to actually to run, believe me. next up, a fracas from caracas. after rejecting president obama's nominee for ambassador to venezuela, president hugo chavez has some suggestions, you are going to love these, who he wants to be the u.s. ambassador to venezuela. reuters reports that chavez said, "i hope they name oliver stone" and goes on to suggest sean penn or noam chomsky and then he mentioned, guess what, bill clinton there you have it, hugo chavez's wish list, stone,
penn, chomsky, clinton. what a foursome. going from left to right. look at that pattern there, clinton in middle for us but, boy those other ones. time for tonight's big number. 2010 the year of the tea party, they fueled the republican fire that led to john boehner becoming speaker of course today. and narrowing the field in the senate from republican losses, up to 53-47, a very narrow majority for the democrats. all in all, how many tea party-backed candidates arrived today? 48 of them did. that's tonight "hardball" big number. 48 tea members in the u.s. congress, 43 in the house, 5 in the senate, 48 all together. tonight's big number. watch those 48. coming up, let's meet two freshman members of the 112th congress, one's a republican, swann democrat and find out what they expect to get done in their freshman year. you are watching "hardball," right here in washington, only on msnbc.on in in a affect wheat output in the u.s., the shipping industry in norway, and the rubber industry in south america? at t. rowe price, we understand
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in post falls, idaho. now back to "hardball." welcome back. we're back with pat and john, just for a couple of more questions here. pat, do you expect a fight between the new kids on the block, if you will, the new members of congress from the tea party, sort of world and the ridiculouses, like boehner, are they going to end up fighting over things like debt ceiling and actual spending decisions? >> some tension there but i think they both realize both got to succeed together and fundamentally agree, the red hots don't think the old bulls were quite so tough. i think it is going to work out, chris, in the short term, certainly. maybe down the road it'll be different but earlier on i think that -- >> same question to you, john, actually going to cut those big programs like social security, medicare, medicaid, defense, tough to cut. >> they are not going to do those things. i don't think they will do those things at all.
pat is right, they will try to manage the tensions but could get more severe than pat thinks and create a context. >> see you soon, pat buchanan, thank you. 1912th congress boasts the biggest freshman class in nearly 20 years on capitol hill with a wong 87 republicans, nine democrats and two of those newcomers join us tonight, republican congressman michael grimm of new york, former fbi agent, rode the tea party wave to victory and he will sit on the financial services committee and we also congressman cedric richmond of louisiana. he is from new orleans. gentlemen, thank you for joining us. it's good to have you. what is it like that you didn't expect, mr. grimm? congressman, you walk on the floor today, you're out there with everybody. that's my favorite question. what didn't you expect that you saw? >> well, i will be honest with you, it is more of what's gone on outside than more of what's been on the floor and that's how much of a buzz and excitement there is from the general public, from america. i think everyone is very excited about this new congress and for good reason. you know, there's a lot of work
to be done and i think the 112th congress across the board is energized to do the job that needs to get done. >> mr. richmond, you're surprised sitting on the floor for the first time today? >> well, i wouldn't say i was surprised. it was very humbling especially when you sit next to great american heroes like john lewis and other members of congress who really you watched and you read about in the textbooks and now actually serving in congress with them. so, it was a very humbling experience, but i think that -- i think that the american people want to see all the attention on them and the fact this they are waking up every day struggling. so it is just an exciting time to be here. i agree that it's been a very wonderful day as a first day with family and friends and just really getting adjusted. >> mr. grimm, congressman, you go in there today to -- it is a virgin forest for you, never voted before in the house yet you are sitting around with guys and women who've been there for a long time. you have made promises in the camp pain, i'm sure about reduce the national debt, reducing spending, all that spending is going on, notwithstanding the
presence of all those veteran members, they have never cut it, they've had their chance. they haven't done it before. why would they do it now? why will you get them to do it? how will you get them to do something they have never wanted to do before, cut spending? >> i actually think the answer is simple. for the first time, i think even the members that have been here for many years get the fact that this is the last chance, it doesn't matter whether our republican or a democrat. this is the last chance for congress to redeem itself and to earn back really the respect of the american people, which it should have. and to do that they have to simply do what they're supposed to do. the debt in this nation is crippling us. it's not just destroying us here. it is impossible to keep this nation safe with this much debt. first and foremost our job is to keep america safe and they have no choice and i think that they understand that and they understand why they're here.
>> i just wonder what the people want. the latest poll says they wanted to tax the rich or cut defense. republicans say they want to cut entitlements, they want to cut discretionary spending. if you let the american people poll on this would they cut the budget? would they actually reduce social security, medicare, medicaid, the defense department? would they actually cut things? do you think they would? >> no actually, i think that especially in my area that people really defer to the -- to our judgment. now, i do think that there's a certain percentage out there? of course, everybody will cut programs that are not important to them. you will not find seniors in favor of cutting social security, you won't find some people in favor of cutting medicaid but that's what we'll have to come here and do. we'll have to make some tough decisions. the one thing i feel some comfort in most americans understand the country is sick right now we may not like the medicine we have to take but we are going to have to take it to make the country a better country and i think that's what they want. i know that as freshman coming in, we are a little idealistic in terms of what we can do.
>> that's good. >> but i do think that we are willing to work across the aisle. i think that we want to do what november 2nd i think taught me was that the american people want this entire conversation back on them. they don't want to hear about democrats or republican. they want to hear about what's going to change their quality of life. >> mr. grimm, i don't have a lot of faith in just plebiscites, you vote the way the vote goes, then you don't need a congress, just go with the win. look at the latest poll we got. here is poll that shows in "vanity fair" and "60 minutes" says, cut -- tax the rich, 61% say do that 20-something percent say cut defense, cut medicare, social security way at the bottom. the public, if you poll them, want to do the easier stuff, tax the people they aren't, the very rich, cut defense, they are not in the defense department. can you just do what the speaker said today, just do what the people want? do you think the people will
vote the way you have to vote and actually cut programs? would the average person in bay ridge or staten island walk into congress and start cutting social security, medicare you can the defense department? would they do that? >> i don't think it is as simple as that, when they look at all the factors, most people, what they want is prudence them want with someone to sit down and pragmatically make decisions that are reasonable and are responsible for this nation. like let's talk about defense. you know, if you ask someone would you cut this defense knowing that it may make us weaker and open us up to another terrorist attack, i think they are going to say no let's not do that remember that the federal government's first job is to keep us safe. >> i agree. it's hard, isn't it? >> no this is a tough job. >> so, where do you cut? where do you cut? >> everywhere you possibly k i think my colleague said it well. the one thing that i have faith in the people is that they realize that cuts are going to be coming across the board. a little bit from everywhere is going to have to be part of it everyone is going to have to share this pain. the reality is like a family at home. they have to manage the household. so we in congress have to manage our household here for the united states. >> okay.
you represent a great district, mr. grimm, so do you, mr. richmond, both districts i know well. just imagine representing bay bridge/brooklyn what an honor that is. dewey carey had that honor. paul attanasio should have had that honor. thank you, michael grimm, thank sir, gentlemen, congratulations. a program note by the way, tomorrow morning at 9:00 eastern, white house press secretary robert gibbs joins chuck todd and savannah guthrie on the "daily rundown." leaving the white house, coming to msnbc tomorrow morning and we support chuck todd and savannah guthry. up next, the republicans control the house, how will they govern and what does it mean for president obama that the republicans are controlling one with of the houses of congress? this is "hardball." her hands could dry out. [ female announcer ] dawn hand renewal with olay beauty. it helps your hands seal in moisture while you do the dishes. dawn does more... [ spongecaster ] so it's not a chore.
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care you can the whole obama health care. it took two years to get enacted. you guys will try to repeal it next wednesday. are you going to allow amendments on the floor? >> my understanding it is going to be a straight up or down vote on the health care bill and then a series of replacement bills that are going to be offer and i'm sure there is going to be massaging back and forth and so forth. >> when's the massaging going to begin? your speaker today said he is going to allow open rules from now on and amendments to be offered but the first big bill to come out next wednesday, no amendments. my question gets to particular points in your candidate promises, you guys, your pledge to america, said you were going to allow people to be protected against being denied health care for pre-existing conditions, also, not to be stuck with lifetime payment limits. those two amendments are not going to be in order, even though they're in your campaign promises, your pledges of the campaign. how can you justify that? >> well, because i think the leadership has decided that this bill, its 2,500 pages is really
so big and so bad that the best thing for us to do is repeal the full bill and then to go back and replace it with those commonsense reforms that you have described and that, quite frankly -- >> they are your proposal. >> republicans and democrats agree on. if you ask the congress will you vote for a bill to cover people with pre-existing conditions to allow young people to be on their insurance to allow young people to buy across state lines, you will get broad bipa support. i wish the president would have done that a year or two ago and we wouldn't be in this situation. >> how do you force under the constitution a private company to insure somebody? under the constitution you are all worried about the constitution, what constitutional authority do you have, congressman, to tell a private company you have to insure somebody though they're in bad health, they're a bad risk for them, and they will probably lose money? how do you force them to do it when they say she or he is not a good bet? you say, we're the government, we're going to make you do it. is that republican philosophy?
>> chris, you are implying that's not constitutional. >> i'm asking you. do you think it is? >> one of the many provisions of the bill. i think it really depends on what the replacement bill looks like. >> you're hedging. >> by countries like swi switzerland, for example -- >> but you're hedging. i'm asking, do you -- congressman, it's in your promise list. >> chris -- >> you said you're going to put it in order, massage the bill and bring in these. do you think it's constitution al to force a private industry, a business, to insure somebody they think is a bad risk? >> let me say this, i'm not an attorney and i'm not a constitutional law expert, so i'm not going to put myself in that trick box to play judge. i will say to concede to you that it is a goal and it was in our pledge to make sure that -- >> it sure was. >> -- a replacement bill to cover people with pre-existing conditions. >> the reason i bring this up, sir, i'm not playing games. it was said it's not constitutional and i know you
are raising all of these constitutional objections under original intent and very narrow definitions of the constitution on the conservative side and a lot of people on your side are saying these things are unconstitutional. i'm wondering if you are one of them, that's all. >> yeah. >> i don't think it is. >> the house rules will require that any bill that's brought forward in the future including our replacement will have to si cite where in the constitution. >> thank you. keep working at it. aaron schock. >> thanks for having me back on. two years ago as a new member i came on your show for the first day and now it's my second term and i'm back on. i appreciate it. >> you are always welcome. joining me now is u.s. congressman and chairman of the democratic committee, congressman israel. you see the con up drum the republicans are getting into. they are going to bring it to the court, try to bring it to the bill, yet they will not allow amendments from your side that really would try to introduce the very things they
promised like pre-existing conditions, no limits on lifetime payments. >> it's actually worse than that, chris. i don't know -- you were on air. i don't know if you heard about the vote we had in the past 20 minutes where every democrat voted for a simple proposition that members of congress ought to disclose whether they are taking their government health care. and guess what happened in that vote? every republican voted to hide their own government health care while many of them are pledging to repeal health care for everyone else. so you go from hypocrisy, from broken promise to broken promise, and this is just the first day of the new congress. >> you mean they didn't want to admit they're taking health care? >> this is a very straightforward amendment that we offered. if you are going to take government-sponsored health care simply disclose it. let your constituents know that you are taking that government health care. every single republican voted to hide their health care while many of them are pledging to repeal it for their constituents. >> okay.
give me a bird's eye view, congressman. you are of the chair. let's look ahead. is nanny pelosi, in your eyes, running for speaker again? it looks to me like she s. that's her goal. >> we're all trying to win it back. >> is that smart for your party? >> yes. look, i'm focused on gaining 25 seats back so that we can regain the majority and continue to protect the middle class, not vote against the middle class which is what the republicans did just 20 minutes ago on the floor of the house. >> so you think it's smart to try to regain what you had two years ago with the same leadership? >> i think what we need to do is continue to fight for the middle class, to talk about the importance of creating jobs. what the republicans are talking about is repealing health care when they know full well that the senate is not going to do it. the president is not going to assign it. the only jobs they're creating are for the speechwriters and the press release drafters. >> okay. you didn't answer my question but i know why. thank you very much, steve israel, chairman of the democratic congressional
campaign committee whose job it is to win back control of the congress. when we return let me finish with whether speaker boehner will keep the promises he made today, to be open and allow democrats to offer amendments especially when it comes to this effort to repeal health care. next week, not honoring their promise.
do with health care this year. their campaign promise was to repeal and replace. they were quite specific in this regard, promising to protect people who want to buy health insurance and have pre-existing medical conditions. they promised to make sure that insurance companies don't deny them policies. well, they were quite specific, as i said. the republicans promised, also, they would end the practice of insurance companies hitting people with lifetime spending caps. in other words, limits on how much health care need you would have as if a person could limit how much health care need they would face in their lifetime. so what about next wednesday when the house votes a repeal of the health care bill, the obama health care bill? the speaker made his commitment to allow democratic amendments? to allow democratic members to offer amendments that do what the republicans promised to do in the election, protect the ability to have pre-existing conditions to buy health insuran insurance, prevent companies from establishing a lifetime payment limit? today speaker boehner promised members of congress a robust debate, an open process that allows you to represent your constituents, to make your case to offer alternatives and to b